We are excited to publish another installment of our oral history project, "The Body As An Archive," featuring artists Joe De Hoyos and Alexander Hernandez in conversation.

Watch, listen, or read the conversation at

The two bond over shared experiences such as navigating Latin cultures as HIV-positive men, working with unusual materials in formally unconventional ways, and trying to find artistic community in an increasingly commodified California art world. They also share many intergenerational struggles, such as adapting to new medication regimens, pushing back against various forms of stigmatization, and maintaining financial independence despite oppressive systems designed to keep sick people in precarity. With candor and tenderness, De Hoyos and Hernandez remind us that connection, care, and community can be found anywhere so long as we are willing to reach for it.

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Joe De Hoyos

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Alexander Hernandez